"Cynics should keep quiet", says actor Anupam Kher

In an exclusive interaction with Aditya Raj Kaul, Actor anupam Kher says he might contest elections in future if That is important for a political change.

The Sunday Indian

August 19th, 2012

Actor Anupam Kher at Jantar Mantar

You were at Jantar Mantar supporting the movement against corruption led by Anna Hazare, which will soon enter the political fray. Where do you see it heading now after this major step?

The process is inching towards a possible corruption free India; it’s a step towards possible honest politicians who will give good governance. Indians should feel proud of their country and its achievements, not only in dreams but also in morality. We Indians do not feel proud of ourselves and our nation unless we are at war with Pakistan or playing cricket matches against them. It will change, hopefully.

Don’t you think the massive support for Team Anna across India since the crusade began in April 2011 was because of its apolitical nature?

The response can be described in three different categories. A pessimist would have said 'Nahi, aisa thoda hota hai ' (This is not how things work). A cynic would have said 'Oh yeh politics toh hota hi corrupt logon ke liye hai' (Politics if the culmination of all corrupt people). Being an optimist, I feel 'Kuch na kuch hoga' (Something or the other is bound to happen). When I came to Bombay the only thing I had was hope. And I see myself as an end result of that hope. Success is always because of your attitude towards life, not talent alone. Crowd is never a measure of success. It is much deeper than that. It is not an India-Pakistan match or an IPL final. People who have been cynical about it should keep quiet now.

Two of Team Anna's major supporters, spiritual leader Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and activist Medha Patkar distanced themselves from the move. Is there no consensus?

There are always different opinions. I am not saying that what Ravi Shankarji or Medha Patkar is saying is wrong. When we were fighting for independence, different people fought in different ways. There was Gandhiji’s ahimsa, Netaji Subash Chandra Bose and the Azad Hind Fauj and also somebody like Bhagat Singh who went in the Assembly and created quite a situation. The goal of all these people was to get India freedom. The same goes for todays' movement. 

As you have been supporting Team Anna since the very beginning in its campaign, would you yourself volunteer and contest elections?

I do not have any political aspirations. I am happy doing what I have been doing. If I am required to in any kind of a situation, I will raise my voice. As an individual, I am happy with that. If after seven or eight years I realise that it (contesting elections) is important for a political change, I might do it. But, I do not see it happening immediately.

Congress General Secretary Digvijay Singh has often alleged that this movement is being funded by the RSS. How would you react?

Well, it has become a joke now. If someone’s tyre gets punctured on the highway, he’ll say ismein RSS ka haath hai. I don’t think we should dignify the statement by answering it.

Strangely, while Anna Hazare supports Team Anna giving a political alternative, he distances himself from it. Why?

May be it is Gandhiji’s inspiration. He toonever took a government position. Maybe, Anna Hazare is walking on the footsteps of Gandhiji and that should not be held against him.

"Without political alternative, there will be anarchy", says Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

With Team Anna set to join the political fray, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar speaks to Aditya Raj Kaul on exactly what kind of social change he wants to see in India.

The Sunday Indian

August 19th, 2012

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

 Team Anna has formally announced a decision to float a political party as an alternative for the masses. How do you see this step in the context of the anti-corruption crusade?

I strongly believe that people are people no matter what party they are in. It really does not matter unless and until we instil strong character, commitment and vision in the people of our nation. Without that, corruption cannot be eliminated. There are good people in every party and there are bad elements in every party. In fact, what is really needed today is strong support for people with integrity.

So will Art of Living support and campaign for election candidates of Team Anna's party?

Art of Living will not be part of any political party. I will continue to support the anti- corruption crusade. In fact, it was Art of Living that started a crusade against corruption and terrorism on March 1, 2009 at Jantar Mantar. On that day Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal also came and spoke as a police officer and an RTI activist respectively. Later in 2010, India Against Corruption was formed which included Baba Ramdev, Anna Hazare and others. However, I have no intention to campaign for anybody although I encourage honest and patriotic individuals to join the electoral process, as we did with several Maoists from Jharkhand and Bihar in the past.

Anna Hazare has distanced himself from contesting elections. Do you think it is important for certain public figures to remain apolitical?

A reformer has to be an inspirational figure and you cannot do it when you occupy a position of power because when you are in power you have to take sides. A saint, a reformer and a journalist will have to be neutral. They have a very specific role to play. You cannot be partisan, which you have 

to be when you become part of a political set-up.

Social activism and the apolitical nature of it was the reason why many people joined this anti-corruption movement. Will the movement suffer now that the campaigners plan to give it a political colour?

Actually, it may be the other way around. People are fed up with corruption and when you say so-and-so are corrupt, the people want an alternative to him. Without a political alternative, there could be anarchy and chaos. Suggesting an alternative can be seen as the only positive step forward.

Will you be joining the agitation launched by Baba Ramdev (on August 9, 2012) at Ramlila Maidan like all other members of Team Anna?

The cause of Baba Ramdevji is good. We are all united in the cause to bring back black money and fight against corruption though our working styles are different. Art of Living does mass awareness campaigns and encourages people to take vows against corruption for only laws alone cannot bring reforms. The reform has to come from within. If everyone reading this interview takes a pledge to stay away from corruption for a year, the country will see a big difference.

Do you agree with the methods of Team Anna like fasting to pressure the government for Jan Lokpal Bill or shaming 15 ministers of the UPA government who have been accused of corruption in the CAG and other reports?

I endorse fasting for spiritual and religious reasons. Fasting for political reasons is not my favourite. As far as the ministers are concerned, according to my knowledge, three honourable judges of the Supreme Court and High Court had prepared files giving solid evidence against these ministers. I have not seen the files myself. If this is true, people have a right to know.